Curse

pve-er · Feb 01, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I use Shadow Prisom combo. but I don't see the need of BoA（sometimeI face Shadow prisom sin 1 on 1 who use BoA and I still can kill them), at least not in my case. I did it in AB. I prefer to use that slot for other skill that make me live longer because I don't want to be part of body count.
beside the normal 5 skill of Shadow prisom combo I bring SOH, dark escape and feigned neutrality. which really help me to live. save the extra slot, BoA isn't needed most of the time

Crazyvietguy · Feb 01, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

I find it funny that you complain of BoA Assassins.. yet your profile on the side of your name says your a A/W

Yeah Signet spike is good for RA (at least when i used it) However RA is meant for spiking because eventually everyone runs out of Res Sigs. I say just experiment, I tend to do that a lot. Sometimes i get solid builds.. sometimes i end up with poop. Either way i still find it fun.

ensoriki · Feb 02, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Stronger spike is
enraged sin

AOD MOI BLS TF FS BOS Frenzy/BoA/dash Fiegned

use that on a BoA sin problem solved and your even stronger

-_- well atleast it worked way I pictured it in my head -_-

Kiba of hidden leaf · Feb 02, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

[QUOTE=Crazyvietguy]I find it funny that you complain of BoA Assassins.. yet your profile on the side of your name says your a A/W

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I use no second profession unless in PvE which I use wild blow

Kiba of hidden leaf · Feb 02, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

and why are you sick of sins doing what they are supposed to do? as stated above... there are other builds that are much more annoying and hard to counter..

sins are supposed to spike quickly...use combos... and have increased mobility...and just because they take SP doesnt make them a cookie cutter build....I personally like to be against cookie cutter builds because I know exactly what they do and how to counter them

I am not tired of assassins killing me... I am tired of them using a build that everyone uses and then says raped or im such a pwner once doing so.
And the given is obvious of their spike ability, I use a nice build that does own them with shadow of haste but now its nerfed and i dont know what to do.

Thank you everyone who gave me ideas, no thanks to everyone who just bashed my idea and wanted attention.

BohemianKeith · Feb 02, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

I love that assassin build, it gives me much joy to go against it. It's become so rampant that it is actually productive to make a build designed to take it down. Trust me there's nothing funner then watching an assassin dance just outside aggro range as he tries to gank your monk or other squishy only to be smacked with insidious parasite or another anti melee skill. Most of the time they're so used to doing the same thing over and over again that they'll attack right through empathy or insidious untill they're almost dead. As annoying as they are i really dont feel there is any need to nerf this build at all, its much easier to counter then other FOTM like the touch ranger. ( which isnt that bad anyway)

Evilsod · Feb 02, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by BohemianKeith

its much easier to counter then other FOTM like the touch ranger. ( which isnt that bad anyway)

Touch rangers can't snare, shadow step, use an IAS or kill a target in 3 seconds. A touch ranger has thousands of counters and be ground down. Prison/Burst sins are just boring the crap out of me. Came across 2 teams in AB running 2 of them, 1 with an Order necro. They are quite possibly the most boring players ever.

Did make me laugh though when i saw 1 attack a Spoil Victor necro and he commited suicide

A spike should involve a little more than just typing qwerty at any particular time if your within casting range.

Chamber Asgardian · Feb 02, 2007, 07:14 AM // 07:14

Well assassin's are button smashers, and we usu. like to put our chain in the order we like to do them, so usually we will always be pressing 1,2,3,etc. The skill part comes in how to survive, when to attack, how to surprise, and when to back down and just run or stop attacking. :P (sorry for the major run-on sentence lol)

Phantom Flux · Feb 02, 2007, 07:33 AM // 07:33

I can't disagree with you. The AW Burst Shadow Prison build is way too overrated. However, with a few adjustments for pve it's great. But yeah, I hate getting into some PVP with the dictating noob team leader demanding to use that build. Not only is it overrated, it's predictable enough for a smart assassin to shut that build down easily. I always stick to what is best for me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Originally Posted by Kiba of hidden leaf

I'm sick of going to RA and having the usual team of 2 Burst Sins and then facing a team full of them... I try to avoid using that build but when I do I often see the assassin run towards me because of course they have to show off by killing me using a build they didnt make and pressing 123456. After which I see in all chat "raped" and I then remind him that cookies taste better when you dont use a cookie cutter. After the match i am spammed with "noob" and its a waste of my time. I often run gvg gank builds that are defensive and offensive but the dmg is not equiped with burst so its not a spike and its not as long a combo. (the point is to not use burst so thats out of the question)

Anyway, I'm looking for a build that has adequate spike, defense, perhaps shadow of haste with fiegned neutrality and deadly paradox, and is not obsolete to the burster.

Evilsod · Feb 02, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by Chamber Asgardian

Well assassin's are button smashers, and we usu. like to put our chain in the order we like to do them, so usually we will always be pressing 1,2,3,etc. The skill part comes in how to survive, when to attack, how to surprise, and when to back down and just run or stop attacking. :P (sorry for the major run-on sentence lol)

Well yeah, all spikes involve doing a 1, 2, 3 motion. But all a Prison/Burst spike invovles is wandering around, using the skills in order from any point on the battlefield. Running off and recharging.

It lacks any form of surprise... seeing A/W you just assume Shadow Prison and Burst of Agression and wait to interrupt something or cast an anti-melee on them and wait.

Shuuda · Feb 02, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I can't disagree with you. The AW Burst Shadow Prison build is way too overrated. However, with a few adjustments for pve it's great. But yeah, I hate getting into some PVP with the dictating noob team leader demanding to use that build. Not only is it overrated, it's predictable enough for a smart assassin to shut that build down easily. I always stick to what is best for me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

too true, compared to the A/Mo (black widow) Version A/W is very flawed, 1 hex breaker or deadly riposte and you just totally screwed yourself, and when it comes to high end PvP, that matters a lot.

hondy · Feb 02, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Signet of humality is always a help when it comes to disabling the assassin's shadow prison.

Dutch Masterr · Feb 02, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

oh of course, someone states their opinion and everyone else bitches and complains that he is a noob....

a/w shadow prison sins are DEFINATLEY way over-used...especially in AB and RA. i always bring 1 skill that fits into whatever build im using specificaly to counter it. casters are waaaaay to vulnerable to this build unless they can block, and most cant. the trick is to scroll through every enemy on your screen and note where any assassins are. monitor their movements and stay out of casting range. then wait for them to use shadow prison on someone else then attack them. on my mesmer, who is obviously vulnerable to an assassin ambush, i simply bring signet of clumsiness. as soon as they shadow step in, just interupt them and they wont be able to do half as much damage as they normaly would. on ranger, just bring distracting shot if you dont want to waste whirling defense on the sin....the necro skill Wail of Doom will completley shut this build down.

clawofcrimson · Feb 02, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

if you are on your own in ab...... you deserve to be ambushed... sins are a great way to punish those that wander off.... shadow prison is a great elite...and while I dont ever use it with boa... I dont see what people are complaining about.... its not overpowered...overused maybe.... but that is not a crime....

Dutch Masterr · Feb 02, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

i never said i was going off alone.....most sins are dumb to begin with and charge into mobs and get killed seconds later anyway.

Shuuda · Feb 02, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

the whole shadow prison - black spider - twisting fangs combo is highly effective, but I think it's sill going as A/W just for a few second IAS and no defence.

cacto · Feb 03, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Uhg, this is starting to annoy me. When a sin kills you, all you people have to say is that a sin is overpowered, and when we die, we suck. Look, just make something to counter it. It's lazy people like you who get all these good elite skills completely nerfed.

Kiba of hidden leaf · Feb 03, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

The point is NOT to counter someone. Anyone can go into RA with Ineptitude and clumsiness and say there good when theyve just only countered a build isntead of being strategical and KITING. The point IS to use your skill to outsmart your enemy. So isntead of changing my build to have Hex Breaker or Spoil Victor, I could instead bring a shadow step an enemy as soon as they shadow step to me, they wasted 20 seconds, I unleash on their ally.

I have a build now that I am contempt with so there need no further discussion. Since that was the purpose of it.

Xeones The Great · Feb 03, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

a bit off-topic, but what skills are different from the a/mo SP and the a/w SP other than no IAS?

Yanman.be · Feb 03, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

mending touch, a/mo usually has Shadow Of haste+ cancel afaik.